Ducati 748 Biposto
1999 - 00
Four stroke, 90°“L”twin cylinder, DOHC, desmodromic 4 valves
per cylinder, belt driven
748 cc / 45.6 cu in
Bore x Stroke
88 x 61.5 mm
3.5 L / 3.7 US qt / 3.1 Imp qt
Weber I.A.W. CPU 1.6M
Champion RA 59GC
72.1 kW / 98 hp @ 1100 rpm
Max Power Rear Tyre
66.8 kW / 90.8 hp @ 10900 rpm
75 Nm / 7.65 kg-m /55.3 ft-lb @ 8700 rpm
Dry, multi-plate, hydraulic control
Primary Drive Ratio
1st 2.466 / 2nd 1.765 / 3rd 1.400 / 4th 1.182 / 5th 1.043 / 6th 0.958:1
Final Drive Ratio
Chain, 520 VL4 - 5/8" x 1/4"
Trestle type constructed of "ALS 450" steel alloy
Inverted type, 43 mm diameter stanchions, Showa GD051,
Front Wheel Travel
127 mm / 5.0 in
Progressive linkage with adjustable monoshock, Sachs
Rear Wheel Travel
130 mm / 5.1 in
2 x 320mm Discs, 4 piston calipers
Single 220 mm disc, 1 piston caliper
Length: 2050 mm / 80.7 in
Width: 685 mm / 27.0 in
Height: 1090 mm / 42.9 in
1410 mm / 55.5 in
790 mm / 31.1 in
150 mm / 5.9 in.
850 mm / 33.5 in.
202 kg / 441 lbs
17 Litres / 4.5 US gal / 3.7 Imp gal
5.8 L/100 km / 17.3 km/l / 40.7 US mpg / 48.9 Imp mpg
Braking 60 km/h - 0
13.3 m / 43.6 ft
Braking 00 km/h - 0
37.7 m / 123.7 ft
11.2 sec / 195.2 km/h / 121.3 mph
248.7 km/h / 154.3 mph
Derived from racing bikes that have been consistently winning WSB
championships since WSB began, the first Ducati Superbike, the 851, was
launched in 1987, this bike was followed with the 888, 916, 748 and the 996.
The 916 won several worldwide awards including 4 “Motorcycle of the
Year” awards from MCN magazine. The 996 replaced the 916
in 1998. An entry into the legend of Italian
motorcycling racing, an aggressive, high performance and beautifully
designed machines, closely derived from Ducati’s currently competing in the
WSB. Aimed at purists who want everything from a bike
with its compact design and slim silhouette to provide superior handling at
speeds up to 170 mph. Combines advanced thermodynamics
of 4-valve per cylinder with unsurpassed efficiency of desmodromic valve
Updates for 2000:
· Brembo 3 hollow spoke wheels
· gold wheels and frame
· 43mm Showa front forks with chrome-plated legs
· fixed fairing and fuel tank fittings
· available only with dual seat
Ergonomics and comfort:
· Brembo PSC 12 clutch master cylinder with higher
· fixed castor steering geometry of 24 degrees 30 minutes
· adjustable 43mm Showa upside down front fork with chrome-plated
· adjustable Sachs rear shock absorber.
· metallic head gaskets
· side stand with lock at full extension and anti engine start
2001 World SuperSport
Torrance, California, February 9, 2001 -- MO
had a deep thought recently -- really, we did. It was a sad day, for sure,
but one prompted by our readers when you told us to quit ditzing around on
the racetrack and make our 600cc test all about real-world riding instead of
track performance like we often do. "What blasphemy is this," spouted
Managing Editor Brent Avis, "have they all gone mad?"
The problem is that ranking sportbikes from quantitative times is easy and,
more importantly, it's definitive: ride 'em, go fast, pick the fastest.
Minimal disputes, few flames, no thinking. And, equally pertinent to us at
MO, it's fun.
Truth be told, the numbers way is also easy on us: Sportbike riders are the
most judgemental, most cantankerous pain-in-the-feedback-ass group out
there, bar none. No other group even comes close to the level of whine a
Sportbike Squid can proffer forth. Believe us, after seven years and
millions of posts and e-mails from whining squids, it gets old.
But we digress. Sales figures show that the fastest bike is generally the
one that has the most advertisements about winning races and, consequently,
sells the best. So, a purely street-oriented test would neglect this clearly
significant aspect of the numbers game. Conversely, y'all made it explicitly
clear that the Old Way was lame.
Many of you realized that you'll never drag knee on a racetrack (or the
street, for that matter) and want to base your buying decision on something
that more closely resembles riding situations that fall in line with your
own. Thus, here was our bright idea: Similar to MO's Open Inlines winner Vs.
Open Twins winner, we'll take the race bikes out first, rank 'em, and bring
the top two bikes over to test against the remaining "street" bikes -- the
later being machines that are unchanged-for-2001, or those that are likely
to be of second-tier status in the confines of a racetrack.
So here, now, you have Part One of MO's 2001 World SuperSport Shootout: The
The contenders are Honda's new CBR600F4i, Yamaha's reworked YZF600-R6,
Suzuki's fuel-injected GSX-R600 and Ducati's 748S (Part Two will pit the
winner against Kawasaki's ZX-6R and Triumph's TT600).
They all look fine and dandy, some mildly racier than the others, but it
takes more than close inspection of bodywork to discern each bike's true
intent; unless, of course, you're one of those aforementioned Squids that
just wants the fastest bike made so you can feel cooler than your buddies.
If that's the case, this story is over: Get the
GSX-R600. It's the fastest track bike here, plain and simple, albeit it bests
the R6 by a very narrow margin, it's Numero Uno Squidly Ride this year. So,
you're done here, go play with the on-board racetrack videos and then tell the
world how fast you aren't.
For the discerning consumer, the decision is harder. This class has become
rather bi-polarized with some manufacturers choosing to produce a race-replica
while others prefer a do-everything platform.
Somewhere more towards the "comfort" side of the scale rests Honda's CBR600F4i
and, to a lesser extent, Yamaha's YZF-R6. The Honda underwent a host of changes
that we already previewed, and it does a nice job of combining track styling and
performance-based ergos with the sort of civility that makes it the consistent
top-seller in this class. Well, everybody. Not surprisingly, the two bikes that
are narrowly track-focused are Suzuki's GSX-R600 and Ducati's 748S. Both bikes
have riding positions that are not uncommonly referred to as "torture racks" by
people who only take things at face value without ever exploring the method
behind the madness.
But of these bikes, only one makes the sort of triple-digit horsepower that's
necessary to conquer the Supersport classes while the remaining bike does things
its own way and makes about 15 horses less. But which of these bikes is best for
you? Glad you asked, since we had a lot of fun, er, did a lot of hard work in
trying to help you make your next buying decision. To really suck the marrow out
of the bone that is World Supersport competition, it's important to remember
that this is the class that many manufacturers hang their hats on. They sell
more 600-class machines than any other. So, this is bread and butter time,
folks. To that end, we explored the challengers at considerable length on both
the street and the racetrack. Somewhere in all of this madness of logistics and
mother nature eliminating our dragstrip runs (for now), we came out with a
Fourth Place: Ducati 748S
A strange thing happened -- again. With all the changes to these Supersport
bikes, Calvin still has a place in his heart for the Ducati even though it
finished in last place. Calvin is, surprisingly, not alone this time, though. To
say that more than a few testers praised the Ducati's chassis would be an
understatement. It still has one of the best chassis around. This, however, is
not a surprise, given its lineage to Ducati's own all-conquering 996. Our 748
was the "S" model which, compared to the stock bike, ups the ante with Showa
suspension (complete with ti-nitride-coated forks), Marchesini five-spoke wheels
and a rake-adjustable steering head. Tasty bits all, but they couldn't do
anything to help the bike in the department that needs the most attention: the
motor. As good as a bike's chassis may be, there's just no making up so much
lost ground when all the other bikes are so close together, or far ahead as this
case may be. This doesn't mean the Ducati is a bad bike, though. It has the sort
of racetrack feel and precision that only the Suzuki comes closest to emulating.
Only thing is, the Ducati requires a different riding style than the other bikes
and quite a bit of money spent to bring the motor up to the levels that enable
it to attain front-runner status in the World Supersport wars.
The Showa suspension required nary a moment of fiddling all day on the track,
though we did prefer a few clicks less compression damping on the street. The
original-fitment tires worked well -- some of the best in test, these Pirelli
Dragon Corses -- and things only got better with the Metzeler race rubber at the
Other than a lack of motor, about the only thing we can complain about with the
Ducati would be that we would like brakes that are a bit stronger. They required
quite the firm tug to get things slowed down.
Handling and Ground Clearance was superb. If you touch anything down on the 748,
your next ride will be either for the factory-supported World Supersport team or
in the back of an ambulance. We loved the way the Ducati went about its business
at the track, never letting you feel like you were anywhere near the bike's
edge, but that you were always well taken care of by seignore' Ducati.
On the street, however, the suspension provided a ride that was just too stiff
to consider covering any real distance. And the motor, even on the street, could
have used a bit more oomph, though we unanimously agreed that it made the most
beautiful noises of any bike here. About the only edge the Duc' has over its
competitors, on the street at least, is in the visceral department. It turns
more heads and tickles more senses than anything else. But track potential and
sense-tickling are just not enough nowadays.
Third Place: Suzuki GSX-R600
"The racers here all like the Suzuki best," quipped Plummer after our testing
was done, "but every time you rev it, it shakes so hard it feels like it's going
to blow up! It's disconcerting, un-nerving and I just don't like it. After
riding all the other bikes back-to-back with the Suzuki, I'd never buy this for
a street bike." "True," counters Avis, "it does feel like it's going to blow up,
but GSX-Rs never do. They're the workhorses of American club racing." Valid
points, both, but at the end of the day two things remain: The Gixer shakes
badly and vibrates harshly, not fun for longer rides, or even zips up to redline
if you're sensitive to that sort of thing. Second, real racers go fastest on the
Suzuki, the rest of us mortals don't. For this bike to be third is really a
shame, but our readers (yeah, you, buddy!) wanted us to be more street-biased in
our overall tally of things, leaving racers to read deep into our words to find
perfect race day mount. And for track days, this bike is about as
good as they come from the factory.
Pumping out 103 horses at the rear wheel, Suzuki's latest 600 makes the sort of
horsepower that some open-classers made less than a decade ago. The motor is
then wrapped up in a chassis that's second only to Ducati's 748 in terms of feel
and feedback, but at a price that's significantly less. We loved the way the
Suzuki felt at the track, with its precise manners on turn-in that were
one-upped only by the bike's mid-corner feel, leading into full throttle
application on the way out as the motor spun up to its 14,500 rpm redline. The
Suzuki's mill, though it has the edge on the others at peak, seemed a bit
flatter than the Yammie in the mid-range, coming off corners. Bottom-end power
was right on line with the other contenders, and the transition from low to mid
to top-end was littered with very few peaks or valleys of power that would ever
threaten to break traction or excite pulses beyond the race track norm'.
Cracking open the throttle mid-corner at the
racetrack or accelerating away from cars while lane-splitting on the freeway,
the Suzuki's fuel/air mixture was always spot-on. Similarly, some riders felt
that the Suzuki's brakes were best in class while others gave the nod to the
Yamaha's binders. Either way, they're a tidy set-up that never failed to get us
slowed for the corners.
The suspension kept things on line, even when we swung wide before arcing into
turn-one and had to come back across the pavement seam. Handling was, overall,
very predictable and stable with the only real drawback being a rather heavy
feeling when tipping into some of the slower corners at the track. This could be
traced to the combination of the steering damper and the rather wide tank that
contributed to some tester's comments about the bike's generally large overall
On the road, the Suzuki was not exactly a class favorite.Some people even
preferred the Ducati's ergonomic package to the Suzuki! We'll attribute this
anomaly to the fact that the Suzuki felt wider than the other bikes and that its
foot-pegs feel like they're mounted higher and farther forward than the other
bikes here. A few testers even mentioned that the seat-to-peg relationship was
even a hindrance on the track. Then again, these are the same people who have
been known to occasionally wear a skirt.
Local backroads were turned into race tracks as far as the Suzuki was concerned.
This bike likes to rev, and it shouts at you rather loudly, asking you to run it
hard and run it in deep. While this may be some people's idea of fun, it's
certainly not for everybody. Likewise, suspension is set on the stiff side,
again referring to the bike's intent -- ruling the racetrack. Wind protection
was surprisingly good on the GSX-R, offering a larger bubble than the others
here. It's just too bad that more people couldn't get along with the ergos long
enough to appreciate this.
Second Place: Honda CBR600F4i:
In totally stock form, the Honda is the easiest bike to ride quickly over
unfamiliar roads. Similarly, it's also the easiest to get up to speed on when
circulating a race track. The comfortable riding position puts you in a
relatively upright position with just enough of a forward cant to keep your
weight where it needs to be for spirited riding -- over the front wheel. This is
by far the best streetbike here, thanks to comfortable ergos and a motor that
doles out easy-to-use power everywhere. The suspension's also extremely plush
while maintaining enough firmness that, should the pace quicken, it's all in a
days work for the little CBR. The rider's information display is also the most
comprehensive in this test while maintaining the sort of ease-of-use that gives
you just what you need in a quick glance without becoming too cluttered.
Not unexpectedly, the Honda's downfall is the race track where it's not as solid
as the other bikes are. Still, it only took a few clicks and twists to get the
bobbing and weaving bike to settle on its haunches and get back into the swing
"That's the sort of confidence this bike inspires on both the street as well as
at the track."
With the best stock tires and the most confidence-inspiring chassis in this test
(if we hadn't changed tires half-way through the racetrack test, the Honda
might've claimed outright fastest lap, so kudos to Honda for spec'ing awesome
Michelin Pilot Sports instead of the horrid Dunlop D207 mushballs that come on
the Suzuki and Yamaha), the Honda was also the bike that started touching things
down the quickest. After the suspension changes though, most everything on the
bike stayed clear of the pavement with only the exhaust can touching down in a
few right-hand corners at extremely high rates of speed.
"I was out tooling around Willow on the Honda," said Plummer who rode non-stop
(not even for lunch) all day at the track, logging the most laps, "which is
completely comfortable, having a good 'ole time, though I didn't feel like I was
going that fast. Was I ever surprised when I came in and found that I was, by
far, faster on the Honda than any other bike in the test. It's a sneaky bike --
so planted and in touch with the ground, but in an ever-so-plush way, this is
the bike that will make Joe Rider a canyon hero. Simply put, it'll make you
believe it's going to stick, and it does, so non-pro racers will probably like
this the best, although the R6 is faster, turns easier and has more damping
front and rear, so you don't have to be ultra-smooth like you do on the
comparatively softly sprung Honda."
The brakes on the Honda are good, though not quite as powerful as what's to be
found on either the Yamaha or Suzuki. Similarly, the Honda's motor has a smooth
sort of delivery that begs a rider to twist the throttle open at the earliest
possible moment -- and then do it even earlier on the next lap 'round.
That's the sort of confidence this bike inspires on both the street as well as
at the track. Editor Plummer even turned his fastest lap of the day on the Honda
because he felt that his aged self was able to flow around the track easier than
on the other bikes and, at the limit, confidence in a machine is worth
First Place: Yamaha YZF-R6
Times change, and as a racetrack replicas evolve, he who is not leading the pack
sees nothing but arse-hole and exhaust pipe. Such is not the case for Yamaha and
their still-excellent R6. After a few changes were made this year, the bike is
far better than it previously was. Most notably, it makes more power, but the
way it makes it it awe-inspiring: This bike revs past 15,000 rpm, and is
incredibly smooth, much more so than even the Honda: "I have bad wrists," whines
Plummer, "and the R6 is, by far, the easiest on the hands and forearms. This
year's engine is so smooth it's uncanny, I've never ridden a 600 so plush in
every way. From the awesome engine to the well-damped chassis, I could find no
flaw with this bike other than the mushball D207 Dunlops that came stock: I rode
on them too much on the morning before we changed to the Rennspots, and the weak
carcass on the D207 makes the bike feel disconnected with the ground.
A big front-end push on the Dunlops ruined my confidence on this machine for the
day. If that hadn't happened, I'm 100 percent positive I wouldn't gone faster on
the Yamaha than the Honda -- it's ram air is more effective so it's faster than
the Honda at speed, and it's got more Ground Clearance and, in my opinion, the
best mass-produced brakes made. Those three factors, combined with the smoothly
impressive engine, clearly get my vote for the best performance/streetable 600
It's now been combed over in the way the Y2K YZF-R1 was, with a bit of
"sharpening" being the goal -- and the result. However, as much as the bike has
been sharpened, it's still a few paces behind the Suzuki on the track. But since
this test places more emphasis on streetability, the Yamaha gets the nod over
the Suzuki in the overall tally.
On the street, though, the Yamaha has a more friendly ergonomic package that
helps contribute to the bike's relatively lithe overall feel. Most people
preferred the Yamaha's ergos on the street and even on the racetrack where the
ergos helped to inspire confidence. Despite the more relaxed riding position,
the R6 still managed to keep hard parts from dragging on the asphalt though the
peg-feelers did touch down frequently.
"This bike was actually one that some staffers chose as their daily mount
because of its light feel and ease of handling in most on-road situations."
Wind protection was second or third best in this test, following the Suzuki,
with different riders putting either the Honda or the Yamaha in second. This
bike was actually one that some staffers chose as their daily mount because of
its light feel and ease of handling in most on-road situations.
It's a narrow bike that loves to lane-split and has decent bottom-end power to
squirt away from traffic if that's your desire. On the street, the suspension
was routinely picked second, following the Honda. Both bikes exhibited far more
bump-absorption than either the Suzuki or Ducati, but the edge here goes to the
Honda unless you always find yourself riding on the "spirited" side of the
equation. Stock-for-stock, though, the Yamaha's suspension package provides a
good starting point whether your intentions lay in the local hangout or the
On the track, after raising the forks in the triple clamps by six millimeters to
compensate for the slightly larger yet immensely stickier Metzeler radials, the
R6 is still a tremendous track package. It's just not quite as sharp as the
Suzuki or Ducati's chassis, but it's darn close. The brakes were constantly the
targets of praise, as was the motor's snap. There is just enough of a "hit" in
the powerband to keep things exciting without being intimidating in the least.
The carburetion on our test bike was good except for an occasional popping on
deceleration from high revs. Still, this was more of an aural annoyance than
anything that effected the bike's performance.
The only thing that caused any concern to any of the testers at the track, or on
the street, is that the Yamaha's transmission feels rather clunky compared to
the other bikes on hand. This is nothing to worry about, though. Yamaha's own R1
has never been the slickest-shifting box around either, but the recent changes
were supposed to help in this department. Actually, after riding a well-used Y2K
model, we felt the new tranny might have been a bit of a step backWard.
In our recent poll we asked you, the readers, how much bias you preferred when
deciding an outcome here. The overwhelming response was that you were more
concerned with how a bike functions as a daily vehicle, with the racetrack
nothing more than a thrice-yearly departure from your modus operandi. Outright
performance is one thing, but most people won't push to the limit of these
bikes, anyway. Heck, some would argue that we don't either, but then again,
we're not a bunch of Kurtis Roberts or Ben Bostrom clones. We remind each other
of this on a daily basis, in fact. So, what's a few tenths of a second per lap
when the overall experience of the bike is significantly more pleasant on a
day-to-day basis? Its an equation that, unlike the problems you faced in school,
has many solutions in the real-world.
Any of these bikes could make their owner the happiest man or woman alive if all
they ever rode was that one bike. But after spending a considerable amount of
time on each of these four bikes, riding them back-to-back, there's definitely a
clear-cut winner -- and that'd be the Yamaha.
It's the only bike here that offers above average track performance and stellar
on-road manners in a package that inspires more confidence than nightly calls
from A-list actresses begging you for a date.
Unfortunately, we work here at MO so we'll probably never get those phone calls.
That's just fine with us, though. If every consolation prize was as brilliant as
the Yamaha R6 and Honda's CBR600F4i, we'd be able to live happily ever after.
Brent Plummer(5' 10", 145 pounds)
Whenever we contemplate street riding on these four bikes here, it's strange how
Calvin and I always want to ride the Ducati -- everything about it exudes
quality and coolness. It's just plain awesome. But part of why we think it's so
great is that we don't have to live with it, or it's bills, we get to give it
back without incurring any of the long-term reliability issues. Still, if you're
stinkin' rich, buy one, add 25 horsepower, and it'll be great.
"The Honda and Yamaha are a toss-up for me."
As I said above, if my first impression on the Yamaha wasn't with those icky
D207 tires, I would've liked it more. These crap tires are a running joke
amongst journalists, so to those of you in the industry that don't say anything
because you rely on free Dunlops for your personal racebikes and tires, shame on
Anyway, try and testride both the Honda and Yamaha and make your decision
yourself. Chances are, even after just sitting on each, you'll be in love with
one and that'll be it. All of which leaves the Suzuki. I hated it. Either the
tank is too far back or the pegs are too low and far forward, or both, but my
feet kept slipping off the pegs at the track. Ex-MOian Gord Mounce summed it up
best in our 1997 600cc shootout: "The face-down, ass-up riding position is
better suited for one's first day in prison than the operation of a motorcycle."
That still holds true today. While I'm complaining, the vibration was horrible.
If you want a Gixxer, get in line on the awe-inspiring 1000 -- that thing's so
fast you'll be glad you're slung down low on the front wheel!
Brent "Minime" Avis (6' 2", 185 pounds)
Just like every wannabe actor or femme fatal in Hollywood, I too -- the
semi-great Minime -- have two sides. Neither is physically pleasing to the
opposite sex, mind you, but the emotional weight this carries goes a long way
towards making life's simple decisions utterly complex.
For instance, I lust after the Ducati. If it were a woman I would force myself
upon her and make her mine. Well, I would try to, anyway. But just as quickly as
I'd fallen for her I'd find myself put out. Alone once again because I knew,
somewhere deep inside, that the girl I belonged to was the Honda. She may not be
the one that has my friends green with envy, but she makes a good beef stew and
doesn't shrink my clothes on a regular basis.
What I mean, in a roundabout way, is that the Honda takes care of me. It makes
me feel like the man in the relationship and I can make her happy, too. There's
mutual respect and a healthy give and take the Ducati has never given thought
to. If you catch her in the right mood, she can even be a little bit spicy --
even if it does take a little coercing on my part.
Calvin "HackFu" Kim (6' 0" 150 pounds)
The pinnacle of every multi-bike test revolves around the details. Obviously all
the involved parties share similar traits. If they didn't, questioning the
authority putting the test together would certainly be in order. Why, then, do
we constantly focus our attention on the obvious, whether it be subjective, or
I prefer to select my favorite machine based on subjective criteria (has anybody
ever been dissuaded from buying a Dodge Viper GTS-R ACR because of fuel economy
or luggage capacity?). It is my opinion, after all. As such, if I had to name
one bike to place in my garage, it would have to be a duel between the R6 and
the GSX-R. And this duel would take place in a dealer showroom. Both bikes feel
like race bikes, much in the same way the 748S does, but for nearly 40% of the
The F4i fell short just by millimeters. And for such a trivial reason at that. I
found the ergos to be slightly disagreeable. Nothing a set of aftermarket clip-ons
and adjustable foot-peg brackets could not solve. Alas, as this was a test of
stock machinery (tires notwithstanding), switching parts would not be
The 748S, while stunning and invigorating to ride and appreciate, is cost
prohibitive for this rider. Attempting to set fast laps and smooth lines is
difficult enough. What happens when you must do this while worrying about
potentially destroying a nearly $15,000 piece of machinery?
Roland "Shift-Lever" Sands
Well, you'll have to excuse the tone of this review but I'm a little pissed off
right now and I'm listening to some Beck. It's not the most motivational music
but it's good right now. So basically, what I'm saying is, listen to some Beck.
My favorite bike is the R6. I like it because it's fast as hell, it handles as
close to a 250 as a four stroke possibly can and it's still the best-looking
bike of the bunch. Hooray for the Yamaha! Girlfriends suck.
"Yamaha is still best."
The Suzuki is my next favorite because, well, I don't know -- it's just good. I
went fastest on it, I think. Calvin will have to check on that [You did, a tenth
of a second faster than on the R6 - CK]. It's way powerful but the thing is, it
just feels really raw and a little out of control going into the corners.
It feels like the ass swings around going into a corner. Not as refined as the
Yamaha, but it's the best race bike. Next is the Duck, back again for more ass-whoopin
from the Jap bikes. Dude, if it revved and had like, 20 more horses it would be
my favorite. But, since it don't, it's just like, well you know when you have
the squirts and it's like plap, plap, plap, all loud but nothing's really coming
out? Well thats the Duck. But it handles and looks the business.
So that leaves the Honda. Ohh, special Honda. Thou art so fast and thou hast
such horrible ground clearence. The bike is good, though a little soft and
squishy. It's like after you drink a lot of beer and have to take a turd and
it's not really hard. And Splooosh! You get the point. It's fast as hell, But I
almost high-centered on the pipe a number of times. Eeww.
All in all, I'd say any of them's a fine choice. But the Yamaha is still best.